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Published on August 17, 2006 By crimson In Blogging
In Native Studies class, a friend who was part Cree and part 'nish called us Canindians after a discussion on naming. It was a laugh, but also a bit depressing.

The Native Studies department has since undergone it's own re-naming and is now known as the Indigenous Studies program. This type of program has also been known as Aboriginal studies, Indian studies, and First Nations Studies. Don't get me started on the various band names, clan names, non-Native references, and original language meanings of the types of people that take part in such a program. Native Studies starts off confusing simply trying to get who's whom straight. I've got a piece of paper from that department at a BA level, and I wonder if it was really worth the over 50 grand spent. I wonder how many other students have graduated from a program that has undergone so many name changes and for what benefit?

It was worth it from a personal perspective. I've learned a shitload about the history of Indians, and I think the trick the whole time was to confuse us with proper naming and re-naming. Keep 'em busy with nonsense and we can 'modify' more paperwork.

"Might Makes Right" was a topic that came up often. Does sheer number and force make it all right to anhillate and oppress, to implement laws that supercede previous ones, to control, dominate and exterminate throughout time?

I wonder if the Native community continues to grow at such a quick rate, and if our numbers begin to challege the current majority if it will make a difference? What if we were to reclaim what was once stolen all for the likes of progress and continuation of 'civilization'? If continued stalling within the claims process continues, and more occurences like Oka and Caledonia spring up in response, how long before the big guns are drawn once again?

I really think that those who believe that we should just lie down and put the past behind us and become equal Canadians are asking way too much. It's bad enough what has happened, but to give up the rights that we have that separate us from Canadians was done by the dominant society for a reason. And as negative as some of those changes have been, to give up this distinction will end in taking away more for following generations. Hegemony is not something to strive for, it's something to fight against.

And we are fighting that battle even now. As regulations become more tightly controlled, the assimilation battle is being fought though paperwork. Land claims and settlements, subtraction of waterfront properties due to natural water level decline, proof of bloodline to determine status... it's only us and the dogs and horses that have to prove themselves by blood.

Oh, I could go on and on... and more of us should. Education that was promised and is still being fought for illustrates all these points and more, more clearly than I can do in a brief tirade on injustice.

Learn.




Comments
on Aug 17, 2006
I have a question for you, perhaps you can answer it for me? ,(I originate from Africa - not americas) All African countries, all Colonies etc were handed back to the native people the latest one being South Africa (latest - wow almost 15 years or more, isnt it?)

Now my question is this - how come America, Canada Alaska etc have never been pushed into giving the countries back to the Native people of those lands? How came the modern world has just accepted the "occupation of those lands?"

Surely the Native Indians have the right to be given their land back without having to accept token reservations?

I have to say if I was a Native Indian American I would be well and truly peed off.

I look forward to your response thanks
on Aug 17, 2006
Nicky, I learned a lot from your blog here. I didn't realise! I've not done much to learn about Native Studies, here or even in Canada. I know what I do from television programs and movies. I must say the History channel has been doing a good job in what programs they do show.

I can't stand it when they rename educational programs too. I can understand how you feel that what you have achieved seemed to have been in vain. Far from it, you're able to write about what's going on and shed some light into this situation.


"I really think that those who believe that we should just lie down and put the past behind us and become equal Canadians are asking way too much. It's bad enough what has happened, but to give up the rights that we have that separate us from Canadians was done by the dominant society for a reason. And as negative as some of those changes have been, to give up this distinction will end in taking away more for following generations. Hegemony is not something to strive for, it's something to fight against."

I do understand how you feel and why you do about leaving the past behind. It is important that the next generation and all the ones that follows know their history and can hold on to what their ancestors have done. Tradition is so important.


Thank you for sharing!
on Aug 17, 2006
All African countries, all Colonies etc were handed back to the native people the latest one being South Africa (latest - wow almost 15 years or more, isnt it?)


Really? Whites don't have a vote in South Africa? HOw odd...I've been lied to.

None of these countries have been "handed back" (with the exception of Zimbabwe--a remarkable model of the successful integration of all peoples), but rather the indigenous people were given the full rights of citizenship, which Native Americans have had for many years. I find it remarkable that you should want me to move back to Scotland, where my family has not lived for over 300 years, in an attempt to appease the Native Americans.
on Aug 17, 2006

(with the exception of Zimbabwe--a remarkable model of the successful integration of all peoples)

You forgot the sarcams tags.

But I agree with Gideon.  The time for a give back is long since gone.  The time for a just settlement is perhaps a better agenda.  And that does not mean ceding the countries either.

on Aug 17, 2006
I find it remarkable that you should want me to move back to Scotland, where my family has not lived for over 300 years, in an attempt to appease the Native Americans


That is not what I said at all. (And I am not going to get into a cat fight with you, this is Nicky G' blog)

The non indiginous people never left the countries that were given back - and yes they were handed back, they still live there - new local governments were formed. So no I do not expect you to move back to Scotland that would just be silly wouldn't it?

What I am saying is, that the old reparations made to the Native Indians just seem to have ridden into modern day history as the norm. How come for example have they not been given a part of Americas and become "self ruling" so they can live with their own cultures etc. Their identities must have a very hard time surviving in the flood of "Americanism"

I know I am not putting my thoughts down very well, but do try to see where my quetsions are coming from.

For example

Israel was given its lands for its own country. Palestine,etc . These problems(For Doc) go back hundreds of years - so it is never too late?

So why have the Indians been swallowed into the "invaders" lifestyles etc If they had their own country their identity would be more identitfiable etc

Really? Whites don't have a vote in South Africa? HOw odd...I've been lied to.[/quote - where did this come from ?

Whites vote and no they did not give the right to black people to vote in their own country, they (the whites) were forced to concede by the world at large and the sheer numbers of indiginous people that they should relinquish their hold on the country and give it back to the black native people (this is not said derogatorily encase you want to misconstrue it).

Whites are out voted about 23 million to 6 million (thumb suck figures - before you all start yelling and fighting with me!) I do not know what the stats are for Native Americans to "Immigrant settlers" but I am inclined to think they are far out numbered? This may be the reason why we do not see a Native American government?

I have asked a decent question of Nicky G as i truly want to understand. I do not profess to be knowledgeable on the history of any country or history in general, but I do ask questions that bother me.

Why should you not appease the Native Americans? Do you not respect them enough to do so? Do you agree that they should just be swallowed up into your cultural ways and not have an Identity of their own? It is only the sheer numbers of immigrants to that country that swamped the indians to the side, I do believe they have had a raw deal. You can agree, disagree, it is your choice, I still want to hear from Nicky G 's thoughts on my questions if Nicky G is willing to share with me.

thanks
on Aug 17, 2006
NickyG, how comes you passed me on the Trivia???????

PS History is hardly written by the losers.
on Aug 17, 2006
While I don't ever claim to be a Native American, my paternal grandmother was full blooded Apache, my paternal grandfather was half Cherokee and half Irish, which makes me one quarter Apache and one eighth Cherokee. Legally I am Native American, but that's just legalities and I look and was raised white.

The current world is what it is and most Native Americans accept it as such. Much of what was their past culture is not much more than stories and history, and couldn't really be regained at this point even if the whole nation was handed back over to them.

Is this "right"? No, not really. Is it a fact of life? Yes.

I find it interesting that schools feel the need to constantly change the names of some programs in order to not offend someone or to be PC. It's stupid and should be considered as such. It is what it is, much as the world is what it is.
on Aug 19, 2006
Now my question is this - how come America, Canada Alaska etc have never been pushed into giving the countries back to the Native people of those lands? How came the modern world has just accepted the "occupation of those lands?"


land claims are a part of that, trying to get the government to recognize the agreements that they forced upon Native peoples many years ago. The government in response, ties up the majority of claims in the court systems, creating a financial and paperwork nightmare that lasts for years, with seemingly no end in sight. No current government seems to want to settle according to terms legitimately, because it creates precedents that other land claim cases could model. So, the majority of claims do not get settled, and pushed away until newly elected government parties are forced to start all over. And so it goes.

but rather the indigenous people were given the full rights of citizenship, which Native Americans have had for many years.


This is completely untrue in Canadian society, where Natives were made wards of the state, so to say, and had, and continue to have separate rights, and different policies that apply to the so-called citizenship. It is the wording within Governmental documents that were signed regarding treaties that was designed to keep us separate and unique, but also under rule to prove as such.

I find it remarkable that you should want me to move back to Scotland, where my family has not lived for over 300 years, in an attempt to appease the Native Americans.


I'd like to know how you even jumped to this suggestion. No one has said a word about forcing other people 'back where they came from'. It's these direct and incorrect accusations that you all too often bring forth. Please don't even go there.

The time for a give back is long since gone.

Haha. I didn't mention a give back. I dreamily suggested a re-claim. Still laughable, but a girl can consider such things, hehehe.
Little Whip says it here:
via ballots or bombs


Frankly, I don't think ballots would really mean anything... dominant society would just overrule and tweak the system to their favour. Bombs give me the willies because I could unfortunately see that as a response.

Efforts to "conquer" are still ongoing...

The current world is what it is and most Native Americans accept it as such. Much of what was their past culture is not much more than stories and history, and couldn't really be regained at this point even if the whole nation was handed back over to them.


A great many peoples have become assimilated, and do not identify as such anymore. There are countless urban Native peoples that do not have the community support to identify with anymore. This is planned, and was the desired outcome to separate and divide many communities into remote reserve systems.

I don't think that anything could ever go back to the way it was... that is preposterous, but I certainly think that there are ways to make our culture and communites stronger, yet there is so much that prevents this from happening.

Thanks for responding.
on Aug 19, 2006
I don't think that anything could ever go back to the way it was... that is preposterous, but I certainly think that there are ways to make our culture and communites stronger, yet there is so much that prevents this from happening.


It is still a damn shame though. Entire nations dispersed, or disassembled (not sure my wording is right).

Thank you for answering my question.
on Aug 19, 2006
Simon just made a suggestion, Nicky, why don't ya'all just invade France? They'd surrender before a scalp was taken,


ROFL